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Huh.....Has New York fallen by the wayside in professional sports? The Yankees and the Mets just got a double stomach punch from the Cliff Lee signing. Is it the taxes, the management, or something else that is making NY less and less desireable of a free agent market? I mean Amare Stoudamire is your best signing in the last couple of years? I am not tryinig to incite a riot with the BroKo's just making a valid observation. What is wrong with the Yankees that even Cliff Lee passed on them? Does he not feel comfortable with Jeter as his SS?
OK...that last line was a little incendiary......I did read that Lee has a son that is in remission from Leukemia and Philly has the best childrens hospital in America....so that might have something to do with it.
But, with this signing by the Phillies it begs the question is this the best for baseball? Yes, it is great to have another powerhouse stacked with big names that aren't the Yankees or Red Sox but if you named the top 20 players in MLB I would suffice to say at least 15 of them are in the NE and on the Yankees, Red Sox, and Phillies. Is that really the best formula for a professional sport?
The Top 20 NFL and NBA players are spread out across the nation and each market has a representation....some less than others (insert Brewers joke here). But, seriously have you ever had such a concentration of stars in one area and the other areas so famished?
Also, I am not sure the Crime fits the punishment in the Jets assistant coach tripping of the dolphins gunner. Yes, I agree the NFL has to come down on a coach affecting the outcome of a game but suspended for the rest of the season for sticking your knee out. I agree it is a horrendous and cowardly act but Andre Johnson and Cortland Finnegan got into an all out brawl and didn't get suspended? Special Teams phenom Steve Tasker said it is common practice for coaches and players to form that wall to prevent gunners from running too far out of bounds. In fact Tasker said he used to run waaaay out of bounds around benches etc...and was tripped often by opposing benches even by Sean Landetta once....a punter really????
But aren't you suppossed to do everything in your power to win..isn't that the name of the game???
Lastly, before I leave you for the day it was great seeing everyone at Festivus last Saturday even though I don't remember saying Goodbye to anyone and it wasn't me that left like Batman.......Did anyone Say goodbye or did everyone just dip out?????
And....just to let you know an inmate in California asked for Kosher meals due to his Festivus Beleifs.
And PS....Once again I am just making some observations based on facts please don't let these simple truth rile you up Koko and force you to make insensitive and pointless personal attacks on me or my beliefs....it's the Holidays for Crimeney Sakes!
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Well just to get it out of the way, let me start by saying, fuck your beliefs and fuck you on a personal level.
I don't like being told how I should respond.
Now Keith, your inferiority complex with New York continues to fascinate me. At first I thought it was just Jeter or the Yankees, but no, it's the entire city. I really think you need to live there for a while because it seems that there is this gapping hole in your life just yearning to be a New Yorker.
You say you're just pointing out valid observations. However, what you really do is take a situation like Cliff Lee signing with the Phillies and skew it into some erroneous theory.
Now just because of Lee's decision, no one wants to play in New York? Seriously I really want you to get a CT Scan; perhaps Rich can hook you up, literally.
Let's forget the fact that you're once again contradicting yourself as you condemn NY for not making big signings but will also be the first to torch them as greedy and buying championships if they do.
But that lunacy aside, you disparage Stoudamire as "the best" signing New York has had in the last couple of years. Yeah, no big deal there, he's only responsible for the Knicks best start in a decade and scoring at an MVP level. No biggie!
Also, I believe not too long ago, 2009, the Yankees signed Texiera and CC, which led to a championship and last year, signed Granderson. Also the Jets just this season got Tomlinson and Holmes. There's no stigma on New York except the one in your head.
Lee signed with the Phillies because for whatever reason he likes that city and they paid him the most. He's no saint; he did not leave money on the table as some people have reported. He took the biggest contract. $24 million per year.
Also, I think Pujols, Ichiro, Hamilton, Votto, Felix Hernandez, Lincecum and Brian Wilson would take some umbrage with you that all the stars are in the NE. That's simply not true. What is most definitely true though is that absolutely none of them are in Milwaukee.
And as far as that coach on the Jets, he got off easy. He should have been fired immediately for that. What he did was unredeemable. And it’s nice to see that your definition of “whatever it takes to win,” now includes cheating.
I hope I was able to live up to that fantastic Hanukkah gift you gave me. Seriously, it's now my favorite glass.
I said goodbye to everyone before Linds & I left on our sleigh...I mean tow truck.
If any of you caught the Jim Rome radio show yesterday he interviewed Texans OL Eric Winston from The U. He touched on a few subjects including the trip. He says there's no way that it wasn't set up much like Zach Thomas' quotes found on espn.com. Apparantely Rome's website is a pay per listen so I couldn't put the audio link here. If you pay to be part of his "jungle" then check it out b/c it's a good listen.
Read on si.com's "truth & rumors" section that Lee would've re-signed with Texas had they added a 7th year to his contract offer. They didn't feel comfortable with 7 years so let him sign elsewhere. Also, the Yanks said they could tell Lee really didn't want to be in NY.
That douchebag glass is AWESOME!
Inferiority complex? Wow.....now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
Again, Why do take Perfectly logical and valid discussion points...one's that are being discussed by almost every Sports talk show, TV Show, and Columnist and turn them into some Verbal assault on your character?
I did not say anything that the rest of the sports world already is not discussing and/or dissecting.
And thank you for naming the handful of players I didn't feel like ranking the top 20 but thanks for naming the small minority that don't play in those major markets....
Do you really consider LT a signifcant signing? A washed up RB that proved he was.......Washed up after 6 games? Come on your better than that.
Please, Why do you take these discussions as verbal attacks on your character?
And...seriously did anybody say goodbye at the party???
The Jets are the fraud I always said theyd be.
Yeah next yr one of these teams will hve Fielder and Pujols too. Not top heavy at all.
And the fact that there is no under/over cap is why crooks, but smart buisnessmen buy MLB teams and let them rott away while stil making money.
For me the NBA and NFl are much more entertaining because monopoly money aint around.
who did the pirates, brewers,astros,padres,marlins,astros,royals,indians,diamondfucks,a's etc.......sign? Thats right nobody.
Its like if Bill Gates bought the HEAT with no cap and said ,next yr were getting Carmelo and CP3 and stash Billups, Scola, Nash and Gasol on the bench just in case.
Oh and by the way , bye Keith see you later man.
You truly are dizzying.
Please explain how it's the pot calling the kettle black. That should be fun to read.
And I don't hear anyone saying that New York is now a place where free agents don't want to sign. That's just in you're head as you skew everything against New York.
And it's not a minority of players, it's just the ones off the top of my head. I really don't feel like listing every good player in the MLB who's not on the east coast. Once again you are the king of overstating.
And yeah, LT was a big signing for the Jets. He came up big for them many times this season and so did Holmes. Anyone who's actually interested in facts knows that.
I'm going to buy you one of those "I Love NY" T-shirts. That is if you don't already own 10 of them hidden away in your closet as you wait until you get the house to yourself so you can order NY style pizza, Chinese food and watch the Yankees and Giants championships videos on a loop as you jerk off to a Derek Jeter bobblehead.
That is after you walk Lucky of course.
I think i said good bye at the party.
The problem keith is that every new yorker has this view that everything revolves around them and this "we are better than you" mentality. It is hard to explain, but I used to travel to new york a lot and that was my perception.
Even though their 2 baseball teams have a combined 1 title in the last 10 years, their basketball team hasn't won a championship since the early '70's, and their 2 football teams have only won 1 super bowl since parcells was coaching 20 years ago.
They continue to bring up stats from the 20's- 50's when none of us were alive to make it more relevant.
Milwaukee is worse, but at least we don't have a holier than though attitude towards our teams.
I'm sorry but you've left me no choice but to go McEnroe.
YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!
Who starts all these arguments? I think the world revolves around me? It's kind of hard to stay quiet when every other statement is a shot at New York. And then you say I'm being self absorbed.
I think there may have been some lead in your cheese sandwiches when you guys grew up.
Exactly how many World Series titles are teams suppose to win each decade Reger? You make it sound like everyone wins at least 2. And I don't have to go to the 50's or 60's for anything. My teams have had more success in just my lifetime than all the titles of all your teams in their entire pitiful history of existence.
Yanks won 2 titles last decade and 4 the decade before that. I know, what a bunch of failures. Oh and I believe I saw a Super Bowl win in each of the last 3 decades. That's not a bad pace either. I know it's not the win 2, wait 30 years thing you guys got going but I'm gonna stick with it.
As far as the Knicks, yes they have been the biggest bunch of heartache in my life. But at least I got some entertainment out of it. At least they were a powerful team in my time. Have the Bucks even been to a Finals game since the 70's?
The problem you guys have is that your ultra sensitive and insecure. It's not New Yorkers being overly verbose, it's just that you guys have so little to look back on and cheer for that the slightest glee from New York fans is amplified ten fold.
Come on, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You don't see me putting up posts trying to cut down other cities or teams. That's because I'm secure with mine. Where's the spirit of Milwaukee? I get zero sense that you even know the players names on your teams. I think you know more about my teams. How about the state of the cheese state post?
One of you please get a fucking spine and actually write something on your own team. Even if it's to flame broil them. Just something please! It's getting really pathetic.
Did you seriously try and put a negative spin on how many championships NY sports teams have won? FANTASTIC!!!
I've already seen in my 27 years:
5 World Series Championships
3 Superbowl Wins
1 Stanley Cup
and sadly 0 NBA Championships
PRETTY FUCKING GOOD!
(plus THE mets title) Do you see what you made me do Regs?! I'm giving credit to the Mets!!!! GOD DAMIT!!!
Lets start talking about some Brewers news......ummmmmmm?????
NOPE! NO NEWS!!! CANT FIND A DAMN THING!!!!
Maybe they just don't know about the whole "free agency" thing??? I'm gonna write them a courtesy letter explaining the intricacies of free agency and how it can help thier baseball team. Maybe I'll make a video? Ya know like one of those bad 80's health class videos we had to watch in school. Or a "School House Rock" type of things, with the fun little jingles!!!! I think that will help!
Its not about Milwaukee vs New york, its about new york vs everyone.
The venom sprouts from one single source, the fact that Boston has dominated New York in each of the 3 major sports (hockey is not a major sport in this country, Goat, just like the european man thong is not stylish) in he last decade and new yorkers can't stand it.
Let's compare championships: shall we over the last 10 years:
Baseball
New York (2 teams)- 1
Boston (1 team)- 2
Football
New York (2 teams) - 1
Boston (1 team) - 3
Basketball
New York (1 team) - 0
Boston (1 team) - 1
That's 6 championships to 2 over the last 10 years with New York having more teams. You can't argue those facts.
To me, it is all about expectations regarding the teams that I love. I realize that baseball is not an even playing field. Whether that is right or wrong is another discussion, but nobody can deny that certain teams have more resources than others. So in baseball, my expectations for the Brewers are much lower. If we are competitive and are in the race until the end and possibly make the playoffs, that is good enough for me.
In football, things are different. My expectations are that the Packers are going to go to the playoffs and should have the talent to go deep into the playoffs. So when that doesn't happen, I am pissed. Last year's playoff loss was devastating after a solid 11-5 season, but at least we made the playoffs.
I am not a fan of NBA basketball, but I love college. Marquette is my team and went to the final four 6 years ago and has made the ncaa tournament every year since. That is fine with me as well.
Dinger, Koko might respect you more if you admit you're a hater. I'm a hater.
@Regs...You hit the nail on the head. Now I understand why the BroKo's go Mad Dog on us when we simply discuss sports and take it personally and feel the need to break down discussions on personal attacks.
I know Koko listens to talk radio and watches Sportscenter and reads about sports...so you have to realize nothing I commented on is not discussed in all three mediums. Thus, if professionals are discussing it how can you say I am blowing it out proportion and like it is some egregious attack on your manhood.
Look, we all would love to have the titles the Yanks have. But when you are on top...it makes you interesting and a major topic of conversation. We discuss Obama on here a hell of a lot more than we discuss what the governor of Missouri is doing. And...yes when you are on top it makes you a target.
@Sully....just because I like to discuss the Yankees and other big market teams doesn't make me a hater it is just the dominant sports focus in the sports world today. Believe me if the Brewers or Royals signed Cliff Lee I would discuss it....but you are not going to see any small market team doing anything remotely interesting this off season.....unless it involves a trade with one of the Big 3.
Step down from your pedastal and look at how depressing/boring that is from the remainder of the 29 or so teams that you see 3 teams loading up and your team signs some mid level guy....whohooo!
Is that really good for the game? I don't know......but I am just proposing a question not making an attack on someone.
And I know Sully Did not say bye to me....and Juan thanks for saying bye.......Regs....you might have....I will give you the benefit of the doubt since I know zak and zeke said bye.
Dinger, actually I did say bye to you. You were in the garage.
Regs, you said goodbye to me & Linds along with whomever else was grouped in the kitchen at the time.
The Braves trading for Uggla might be the biggest addition other than what Philly & the Red Sox have done. Werth to the Nationals and Dunn to the White Sox are also big moves. The Yanks haven't added any pieces, only kept their own players. Rays have the biggest loses with Crawford & Pena moving on. Also a rumor that the Cubs are interested in Garza. That'd be a huge loss also.
and why exactly are we only loking at the last decade of the teams histories??? Oh I know! Cause it just so happens to your flawed argument! You can't just pick one decade out and summarize the history of a team. Especially a team that has been around for over a hundred years. The Red Sox went 86 years without a championship. How many rings did the yanks pick up in that time frame? Lets use that as the standard. And please don't lump in the mets and jets with the yankees and giants, we don't like to talk about them. They are the little red headed step children of New York!
Maybe the fact you don't expect much from your teams is the problem? It's kind of sad. If you guys expected more from your teams maybe they would change and stop sucking so bad. Sorry but New Yorkers expect greatness cause that's what we are used to and our attitudes reflect that.
Simple fact is......its jealousy! Plain and simple. When the yanks loose everyone like to pile on and when they win it's "well they didn't win by alot" or "sure they won but there getting old and are gonna be bad in the future"
We are defensive because we have to be ALL THE TIME! The Yankees are the Jews of baseball!!!!
THE MAN THONG ISN'T STYLISH!?!?!? Shit! I just bought a ton of them!
Yes Ketih I do listen to a ton of sports talk and watch plenty on TV as well and I did not hear one single person twist Cliff Lee signing with the Phillies into some ridiculous theory that New York is no longer an attractive place to play.
You must have heard that from your Sensei Cowherd. And you know what I think about him. And by the way Mad Dog thinks he's awful as well.
And why is your anger still directed toward all the other teams who are signing players? Why can't your team do that? You're telling me the Nationals can blow that kind of money on Werth but the Brewers can't sign anyone? You don't really believe that do you? Teams that don't sign players do it because they don't want to spend, not because they don't have the money. We've been over this ad nauseum. Real Sports exposed the Marlins. What further proof do you need? Especially for the Brewers, a team that attracts a shit load of fans and turns profits every year. They just don't have winning as a top priority. Face that fact already.
And oh how convenient Regs, so because you completely lost the argument and as usual had no real point, let's change the entire theme and just arbitrarily compare New York to Boston over the last ten years. How that makes any sense towards anything is beyond the human standard of logic.
And when comparing teams you go by standard decades, 80's, 90's, 00's, etc. Not just a set amount of years that makes your argument. The Yanks and Sox each won 2 titles in the last decade and the Yanks were the most successful team in all of baseball for the past 2 decades. The Red Sox are not currently ahead of us on anything.
The Pats had a nice dynasty going but the G-Men had the greatest Super Bowl win since another New York team back in Super Bowl III. Plus it was against the Pats. And overall I've seen my team win just as many super bowls as Boston fans.
Not for a nanosecond have I ever felt that Boston is overshadowing NY in sports. That's absurd.
the reason I used 10 years is because it represents a long enough period of time to ignore for flukes and give a modern representation of the current landscape of a team. Bringing up World Series that Babe Ruth won in the 20's has nothing to do with today. None of us were around then and none of us were fans of the teams we are defending.
I know you are not jets fans, but I know a lot of new yorkers who are and they are so devastated by the way Brady carved them up a couple weeks ago.
The reason I brought up boston is because they are rivals and have basically stolen New york's thunder. That pisses off new yorkers to no end.
Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention my beloved Wisconsin Badger football team, who is getting ready to pummel TCU in the Rose bowl and are sitting pretty at 11-1.
Who the hell is bringing up Babe Ruth? Just you!
Like I said there's no need for that. Yanks won 2 last decade and 4 the decade before that. How many times do you need to read that?
And what thunder have they stolen? Last I checked between the 2 cities it's NY that has won the most recent World Series and Super Bowl.
Your brother likes to conjure up images of Babe, Joe D, Mickey, ect in his arguments about championships won. I try to stay away from things that happened before i was born. I don't bring up the 6 championships in 9 years that lombardi won (with 2 second places).
oh, and for a quick Brewers slant, the acquisition of Shaun marcum (legit 3) gives the brew crew a clear edge on the Yankees this off season. We are also in the mix for Zack greinke, and Matt garza. landing greinke would more than likely put the Brewers rotation ahead of the yankees head to head.
You guys watch to much sportscenter.
Back to the baseball thing , the reason rich crooks own teams is because there is no cap. Not all owners are created equal
example.
Steinbrenners = oil money
Loria ( marlins) = art dealer.
The oil guy is gonna be able to afford 275 million salry
The thief (loria) cant afford much more than the 45mill he does.
He still pockets money because the baseball system is flawed.
If restriction via cap(over/under)better owners would have been in baseball. Guys who want to win like in NY,BOS. These guys take advantage of this flaw.
Hurricanes 5
Heat 1
Marlins 2
Dolphins...ehhh
More importantly the ny teams I hate
Knicks . absoultely nada
Jets always fuckin nada
Mets one , good job loosers
As soon as someone includes hockey I include my mighty Canes.
College football is far bigger in america than fuckin Hockey
Even bigger than baseball except for north east.
Cmon GOAT you got too much time on your hands , ow thats right.
BECAUSE I OWNED YOU BIATCH !
And I am the first to admit , the Yankees are the greatest franchise in sports history.
Period
But the one time my team played them.....heeeeheeee.
That's not even accurate Regs, his initial statement was only about the championships won in his lifetime.
The rebutal, which was appropriate, about the Red sox not winning for 86 years while the Yanks racked up rings was in response to your arbitrary time of what were allowed to count as achievements.
And if you would like to put your money where you mouth is I would be more than exuberant to make a bet with you on whether the Yanks or Brewers will have a better season in 2011.
And Juan if Loria is pocketing money then how is it he can't afford more than a $45 million payroll? The Marlins were undressed on that Real Sports piece. Fleecing the city of Miami for money they didn't need and pocketing the rest that could have been spent on payroll.
I'm not saying every team can spend like the Yankees, but you certainly can't say the rest of the teams are even coming close to what they could honestly afford either.
Nice catch Kogurt..on Rob leaving out facts to build his argument, b/c that's just too easy. Facts don't cease to exist simply because they are ignored. The fact that you dont like basketball or care how your teams are run is no excuse for not giving credit where credit is due. I think I hear the whistle blowin, the bandwagon to hate is coming and I'm sure there will be more riders. Why? B/c it is way more easier to hate than to give credit. Woe is me, if your a Milwaukee fan, of any sport.
you guys are insane if you don't think expectations plays a role in the rooting for teams, just like anything else in life.
- If you spend $275 million on a baseball team, you should expect to win championships more than someone who spends $50 million.
just like
-somebody who spends $75,000 on a car expects more from that car than somebody who spends $10,000
just like
-somebody who buys a first class seat on a plane expects a better ride than somebody who rides coach.
just like
- The expectations of first round picks and high priced free agents are greater than undrafted free agents.
I could go on and on. But you get the point. When the Brewers made the playoffs 2 years ago, I was thrilled. I'm sure if the knicks win 50 games and a first round series this year, new yorkers would be very happy with this, considering the past history. Now, if in the offseason, they get melo and maybe another piece, the expectations automatically go up.
Think about it.
No! 10 is not a long enough time period to use to summarize a sports franchise that has been around over a 100! I'm not great at math but that is only about 10% which I don't think is that much? I don't care if it is the most current 10 years. Cause guess what....10 years out of a hundred (10%) is the very definition of a "Fluke" which I believe you were trying to avoid. The Red Sox winning more then the Yankees in the past 10 years is the "Fluke". What does that prove? That they are on a down curve? If they are then what is every other team? The Yankees are still winning at a higher rate then anyone else. You want to just pick 10 years out of the blue and use it as a scale of success then here:
World Series titles (27)
1923 • 1927 • 1928 • 1932
1936 • 1937 • 1938 • 1939
1941 • 1943 • 1947 • 1949
1950 • 1951 • 1952 • 1953
1956 • 1958 • 1961 • 1962
1977 • 1978 • 1996 • 1998
1999 • 2000 • 2009
AL Pennants (40) [1] 1921 • 1922 • 1923 • 1926
1927 • 1928 • 1932 • 1936
1937 • 1938 • 1939 • 1941
1942 • 1943 • 1947 • 1949
1950 • 1951 • 1952 • 1953
1955 • 1956 • 1957 • 1958
1960 • 1961 • 1962 • 1963
1964 • 1976 • 1977 • 1978
1981 • 1996 • 1998 • 1999
2000 • 2001 • 2003 • 2009
East Division titles (16)
1976 • 1977 • 1978 • 1980
1981 • 1996 • 1998 • 1999
2000 • 2001 • 2002 • 2003
2004 • 2005 • 2006 • 2009
Wild card berths (4) 1995 • 1997 • 2007 • 2010
PICK!
They look pretty successful to me. More so then any other franchise ever.
I can't use history as a measure when comparing franchises? Every year we just start over and forget what happened before? Stats from the past are just as relevant as today’s. That is why they keep records of them. The stats don’t just go away. It’s called having pride in your team. Its different being from NY and being a Yankee fan. And I don't mean that to be patronizing....it just is. It’s not something a small market or even any other big market fan gets.....BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY and place! It may come of as arrogance or a "my shit don't stink mentality, but it’s not that. And I don't have to go as far back as Babe to reference greatness; there's been plenty of it since and throughout. In our lifetimes we will see the Yankees win more then any other franchise. Just like the generation before us and the one before that. That’s just how it’s going to be. ISN'T IT GREAT! To put any kind of negative spin on the success of that franchise is hugely false and a big stretch. I wish that really dramatic music could be playing in the background when this is read. Ya know that "da da da da daaaa daaaa"! That would be great! Play it at home if you got it or just imagine it in your head if you'd like......... I am!
And for you Mr. Pendehos! Yes you did own me in Fantasy Football. But as the great Sidney Dean would say...."The sun even shines on a dog's ass some days". "Aaaannnyyy body can win the lottery; ya know what I’m sayin! I'll get ya next year.
Its just amazing how routing against the Yankees has become a sport onto itself and how much more concerned fans of other teams are about that then thier teams winning?
Fodder...it's all fodder
When people have nothing good to cheer about (i.e., Milwaukee fans), the next best thing they can talk about is why the successful teams are or should fail...just reaching...creating something out of nothing...regurgitating all the top articles that day on ESPN...slaves to the ESPN...as a Marlin fan and ex-Met fan, let us get through a week, maybe two without mentioning the supposed downfall of the winningest franchise in all of sports.
Except it, embrace it and move on
The sun shines somedays???
This ass beating has gone on season after season.
Im yo muthafuckin solar eclipse !
LIGHTS OUT GOATY
NITE NITE !
My point is that you can't claim things that happened before you were born. You weren't a Yankees fan until probably about 1990 (if you are 27, usually little kids don't start seriously following sports until about age 7).
Sure the team has history and it is very impressive, but you weren't a fan then, so you can't claim it as your own.
My dad fought in Vietnam and in all the years I have known him, he has never walked around bragging about how we kicked England's ass in the Revolutionary War, because he wasn't alive.
When I talk about the Packers, I talk about favre's back to back super bowl (imo) wins in the late '90's, not Curly lambeau marching out in 1930 winning multiple championships or Lombardi winning 6 championships. Yes it is a part of the team's history, but not MY history with the team.
Wow....I love how a few comments can blown into this huge Us vs Them competition. And Thanks Goat for your long and antiquated breakdown of history...we all needed that.......NOT!
Ok.....this isn't tearing down NY and saying they are the worst sports city in the world. It was a simple discussion of the NY sports scene which is the most talked about scene in professional sports......plain and simple.
NY is on top of the sports world and thus it is the most disected. That is a simple truth.
For example.....did anyone notice that insane amount of hype over the Knick vs Celtics game? In reference to Regs point about expectations the way the media is covering the Knicks you would think they are the best team in the NBA behind the Heat and Lakers.
Well....They are 16-10. That is a good record but not Great. The Atlanta Hawks, Denver Nuggets, and New Orleans Hornets have the same record.......and you don't see their games getting major coverage like the Knicks. And why would we talk about the Hawks or Hornets....who cares.......the point is NY is the biggest market so when any little thing happens it is a discussion point.
Geesh....
Guess what Reger, you don't have ANY history with the team. Unless you can show me a canceled check stub from the Green Bay Packers, you're not affiliated with the organization in any way. You're just a fan like the rest of us.
Now of course the championships I've seen in my life are more special to me than the ones my dad saw but that does not mean I as a fan can not have pride in that team or learn about those players or even brag about them depending on the topic of conversation.
If you take the time to learn about your team's history then it's as much yours as a fan as America's history is to all Americans. No I wasn't alive for WWII but I can still be proud of my country for winning.
Same thing with the Yankees, I'm very proud to inherit such a rich history and I took the time to learn about many of those players. And if someone starts a conversation about greatest franchises, I have every right to tap into that history. It happened didn't it? Without discussing history what the hell is the point of sports at all?
Now I feel this entire discussion has vered off what you and Keith were originally stating. The original point was that New York has fallen in some way, which is just an incendiary statement. NY has a Super Bowl and World Series victory in the past 3 years. If that's a downfall, then there are about 30 other cities that would love a downfall.
And to your statement about expectations Reger, yes I do expect the Yankees to be in contention for a championship every year. That's what the fans expect and that's why they spend the money they do, not the other way around. New Yorkers demand a good product on the field.
Apparently the Milwaukee owners and a bunch of others don't feel that same kind of obligation to their fans.
Keith you lack focus. Even for a discussion you started.
If you want to talk about New York 24/7 that's fine. I do find it a little odd that someone not from there would want to do so rather than talk about their own teams, but fine. To each his own.
However if you project untruths, don't be surprised by a passionate defense.
For the record, the Green bay packers are a publicly owned team and I, in fact, am a stockholder, so they are "we" to me.
But it is also a silly technicality anyway. Everyone claims their teams as their own. You don't need the team to pay you for that. as long as you cheer, boo, root, and in most cases, give some money to go to games. The team is just as much yours as people that work for them.
The silly technicality was on your end Reger when you said that you can't claim any accomplishments before you were born. I replied with a technicality of equal value.
And you know that both you and Keith admitted those "stocks" you hold in the team are worthless.
And the next time I go to New York, I'll march right into Cahsman's office an tell him that Rob Reger said the teams pretty much just as much mine as yours.
Hope nothing bad happens.
Actually, you have made just as many moves as Cashman has this off-season. You can use that to justify your stance with him.
I like how in one post I'm having to argue why the Yankees do not have an unfair advantage and why other teams do have just as much of a shot at winning/ why they aren't bad for baseball and other teams; while in the very next post I’m having to argue why they are not falling by the wayside and haven't been a loosing franchise for the last 10 years.
Which is it?
They are mutually exclusive. It doesn't make sense. The only thing they have in common is their both anti-Yankee posts.
So if the Yankees are on the decline and New York as a whole is "falling by the wayside" in professional sports, does that mean no more posts on how we have an unfair advantage? No more "we need a change in baseball to make things more even"?
Of course not. That would make sense.
And we'll have none of that in this Dojo!
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