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It's a very big "Fuck You," to the fans Swami.
You gave up 114 hours of your life to this show all because you trust that in the end the writers will provide the answers to the mysteries that kept you captivated episode after episode.
For them to just say, "there wasn't enough time," or "you can't expect all the questions to be answered," is the same as saying, "Stick it up your ass peons and get ready for the next monumental piece of shit that we'll string you along for another 6 years."
It's a disgrace, a total disgrace.
Wow...Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
How come you are so angry about a show you didn't even watch?
You can't comprehend the scope of it unless you actually did take the time to watch it.
Pretty much everybody that watched the show doesn't share your anger.
I've heard and read plenty of debates on the finale and as an avid viewer from episode 1, I must say I am very satisfied. In so many other people's words, I believe is that the Sideways World was a passage to the "The Light". Obviously, precisely "where" these characters were going will be long debated thanks in part to all the different religious symbols in the church.
The island was not purgatory. What happened there happened and everyone was alive. However, the Sideways world was a postdeath place of limbo where Jack was waiting until he was ready to "let go" and cross over to the Light, which is basically Lost's form of heaven. The Losties who appeared in the church at the end all died at different times in different places (some much later on) but came together in that space to help Jack move on. Relationships are instrumental in the series.
But it wasn't only about helping Jack. The Losties all gathered in the church to cross over to the Light b/c Jack saved that very Light when he rescued the Island. If the Light goes out here, it goes out everywhere and everyone you love would simply cease to be. If the light had gone out, the Losties could never have reconnected with their loved ones again. But b/c Jack saved it, they all get to live blissfully ever after.
The constant blood on Jack's neck throughout the season was indicative that Jack was already dead/dying and on his way to "another life brotha". Lost is, at its very core, a love story. Each set of Constants reconnected and moved toward the light--Sun and Jin, Charlie and Claire, Jack and Kate, Juliet and Sawyer--we saw that heaven is , indeed being w/the one(s) you love.
The final season and the Sideways World was Jack's "test" to move toward the light. Jack died on the island. Kate, Claire, Lapidus, Sawyer, Miles and Richard all left the island and lived out their lives. When Kate saw Jack in the church, on their way to the afterlife (The Light), she told him how much she missed him, b/c she'd prob. lived on many years after leaving the island. When Ben and Hurley meet up, they reference that Hurley "was a great #1" and Ben was a great #2." That's b/c they lived on the island after Jack died to protect it, presumably for many years. Ben says he's not ready to move on b/c he doesn't feel he's ready to cross over (or doesn't yet deserve to).
I myself love the fact that the show could dangle a carrot on a stick in front of an audience for so long and not give it the "prize" at the end of the tv rope. I don't care about all the other after lives of all the Losties nor do I feel cheated about all the unanswered little details which even if answered won't change the plot or conclusion of a nicely told love story. For anyone other than Keith or Tocs still readin this, Echo wanted a shit load of money for a cameo and we now know that didn't happen. Walt I believe was just to damn old and twice the size that the charm was not there. I do however wish that there was more Walt explanations b/c I do feel that story line suffered around the writers strike, but still not let down. So no Koko, as an avid watcher you spent six years of his adult life watching as soon as possible each episode and not a week later, I feel they did not "Fuck Me".
Keith, sometimes I think you live in a sideways reality yourself.
Yeah someone spent all that time making that video Swami posted because they are completely content with the ending. I've heard nothing but disgust for the finale. I'm an avid reader of the sci-fi blogs, and yes some people thought it was ok, but for the most part there is a very large disdain for how they ended the show.
And no didn't watch the show because I've seen shows like that before where they just spin their wheels in the mud for years and years without any satisfaction. It's bad enough when a movie does that, but when it's a series that you put all that time into, it's a hundred times worse.
And I'm not angry I'm just (Blaze will love this) . . .
I feel much empathy for all the loyal viewers of the show Lost.
I actually never watched an episode until the finale and ended up very satisfied. The 2 hour recap show caught me up and I was good to go. I recommend that strategy for every show.
I'm glad you liked it Blaze, but way more people did not. And I can completely understand why they feel cheated.
Oh Yea, Cause Angry men on Sci-Fi blogs really depicts America.........(trying to contain laughter)
That's like reading Rush Limbaugh's blog and saying I can't believe what an atrisocity Barak Obama has been.
At least I read real people's opinions. You just blanketly say "Everybody loved it."
Come on, how can you possibly be satisfied that it was all about going to heaven?
6 years, and it was all about getting into heaven? That's fucking stupid.
I'm sure the character relationships were good in the show, at least they seemed that way from the episodes I watched. But in the sci/fi arena that is not even close to enough. Sci/fi requires answers and YES to the small stuff too. Otherwise it's just a soap opera.
Those reason you just gave Koko about "others" hating it are the reasons I loved it. It was a soap opera, it was a sci-fi show, it was a culmination of all types of show we all watch. No matter what ending they would have come up with, I can't ever picture a majority of viewers all just saying, "Ahhh. That's exactly what I wanted to happen." That I feel is what would make it cheezy and paper thin. To tell you to watch the left hand while the right hand is the one to watch is no different than what M. Night does, just on a television series, which nowadays is hard as shit to keep going unless it's a comedy or in a hospital or courtroom. This show, for whatever reasons drew in audiences, drew in a very diverse audience. Trying to blend different mediums of television programming is hard to do. Now everyone can debate on and on the little things and unanswered questions, but I would think that most would at least agree, that they did a good job of meshing to two and pulling it off for six years. That I feel is the ultimately reward, for me and for television programming.
I see where you're coming from Blaze and I totally respect that way of looking at it. If you truly liked it for what it was then I'm happy you thought it was worth your time.
What I can judge is the material itself as a sci/fi product. And as a sci/fi show it scrapes the bottom of the barrel. I mean really, "smoke monster," how much imagination goes into that really? I understand it represented evil but think of something more intellectual than smoke monster please.
As for the fan loyalty, that goes both ways. People that hate or are fed up with a show can be just as, and in some instances, more loyal than the fans that love the show. It's a weird dynamic.
I see Lost as the heroine of TV for the last 6 years. Fans got their first shot and loved it, their second was just as good if not better, but then spent the next 4 years just trying to get that same high again in preperation for the ultimate payoff . . . the end.
I know these types of shows, you think 6 years is a lot, try the 10 years I've put into Smallville for the past decade. And it's even worse in that show's case becasue everyone already knows how it ends. We just want to see it come to fruition already. We're in too deep. Fuck it, we're going down with the ship.
. . . Although the last season was one of the best they've done in a while. . ..
But I digress, I think most people after 2 or 3 seasons were already "all in" they couldn't just throw away the time spent watching to not see how it ends. And when it finally did . . . it was a fucking toll booth to heaven.
Duly noted your honor. Namaste!
Funny video Swami! Koko you can use all your sci-fi knowledge all you want but unless you've watched all the episodes your comments mean nothing.
Pro Jo with the burn. I might have watched part of one episode. I don't care for sci/fi but reading Johnny 5's comments were interesting. Glad you didnt feel fucked. Smallville is still making new shows?
lol...I know Sully that was mean. Of course Koko's comments mean something but he is commenting on comments of a show he never watched. Actually he started out saying he didn't watch to watching a few to watching a dozen.
"Your objection has been noted and overruled. He is an expert in the matter and the court will hear his opinion." Koko is allowed to have whatever objectionable opinion he likes. Saying he can't discuss the topic is like the argument anyone who doesn't vote doesn't have a right to discuss related topics. Let's all be listeners.
For the record, my brother watched every episode and said that he loved the ending because it was about the characters and the relationships instead of trying to tie up every loose end.
Hmmm, I do believe that it is you ,Scotty, that "doesn't know."
Ah, you see what I did there?
And please find where I said that I "never" watched. I said that I saw a few. If I had to estimate it, it would be around a dozen or so throughout the years.
I also do not have to watch more than a few episodes to know they were jerking your chain over and over again. I did not imagine all the bitching and winning through the last 6 years of fans that could not stand how they never answered anything or that the show had become completely stale.
And yes Sean, Smallville has it's 10th season next year. And if it doesn't end properly and by properly I mean he better be in the fucking red, blue ,and yellow suit, then I will blast the shit out of that show and admit that I wasted the last 10 years watching a show that Super screwed me.
hahaha....you could be right, although I'll never admit it. I'm still trying to proces the whole thing. I did enjoy the last episode and felt good about the reunions. Obviously there were answers that were left undone and I wanted to see fulfilled. Was I watching for answers? Was I holding on to the show for these answers? Possibly. In all I enjoyed every bit of the show, especially since DVR and hulu was created.
Is that what i'm gonna have to go through when I die to get into heaven?!?! God damit, why does everything have to be such a pain in the ass? Even when you die shit aint easy! Ahhhh who am I kidding, i'm going straight to hell! Its alot easier to get into! And I hear the foods better :)
Save me a seat!
Wow, good to see a post stir up some shit. I have to say that I get what “Lost” was trying to do and even read the blogs that said that Abrams shot the final scene right after he shot the pilot episode. Hoorah, we get it, he is a genius, so get that Abrams taste out of your cum dumpster mouth. I have even gone as far as investing more time into seeing what else the real psycho, self-proclaimed, doll collecting “Lost” super fans have to say. And I still feel like I got prison raped without the common courtesy of the reach-around.
I respect that the “Lost” producers were attempting to wrap a show around the science-faith fabric, even in this generation of television, as Johnny said “…which nowadays is hard as shit to keep going unless it's a comedy or in a hospital or courtroom.” They even included the theme of love, light versus dark and the interconnection that we all share. Great, fantastic and my hats off to them. However, the art, and I do mean the art of sci-fi and drama (because we can all agree that this show is in those two genres) is to introduce short, medium and long story arcs that are concluded cleverly. It’s the whole purpose why we get on the ride. To put this in perspective, would you watch “Lost” if they told you upfront that they would introduce several questions, but selectively answer half? It was rhetorical as we all in our hearts know what are answers would be. And the art of the story telling comes in the explanation. The most incredible answers in any film or television series come from the assembly of clues that were placed in your face throughout the journey. I thought that this is surely what “Lost” was doing. I was wrong, and can except that. But, don’t make the smoke monster unstoppable, pure evil, clicky clacking through the woods with the ability to manifest as anything dead just to have some anticlimactic cliff slap fight where the “partner off scene shoots the bad guy and saves the good guys ass.” I have to say I have seen that one before. And I know I have read the blogs on that scene as well and know why everyone liked that Locke was normal and this was ultimately what he planned so he could escape the island; got it. My point is that you cannot introduce such rich sci-fi elements and not have a creative plan for the explanations. And I concede that possibility that these were all red herrings and that the idea of “Lost”, at its core, was about the human experience. But as Johnny said, we got the hospital and courtroom scenes for that!
But no one spends that much time putting a 4:42 minute video montage together without a bitter taste in his mouth. Maybe JJ’s flavor wore off?
And Koko, wanted to get your back on the Smallville tip. I am balls deep too. And with the opening clip of this season’s finale, season ten needs to deliver four things to me, and this may sound a little like you and G.O.A.T.’s favorite jump under the Yankee’s snuggie, pop that greasy Orville Redenbacher movie theatre butter bag in the microwave and take that cruise you two have been dreaming of kind of demand: Tom Welling……blue, red, and yellow….nuff said!
There you go Swami!!! Nice post!
I just know that half of the people who are saying they liked the finale are like battered wives, making up all kinds of exuses for why they liked the ending. Deep down, if they even have a little respect for sci/fi they are unbelievably dissapointed. For those that were just in for the drama, yeah I can see how they thought everything was just dandy. But like you said, there's a plethora of dramas out there for that kind of stuff. If you're going to do sci/fi, you better damn do it right.
I didn't know you were a Smallville fan. This last season had a few hours of awful, but for the most part it was one of the better seasons they've done in some time.
Alexa's sister is in New York going to school and she's interning with the show Extra. She just met Tom Welling a week ago. I told her to seduce him so I could have Superman as my brother-in-law.
And yes, he better fucking be in that suit by the end or I will not be held responsible for the 10 years of frustration that unleashes on society.
And just a foot note, if any of you want to watch the best sci/fi show ever made, it's called Supernatural on the CW.
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