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Wow...This was quite the controversial post.....one that even I can't agree with everything.
First...You do make a great point about the Obama attack ads. He has been given 4 years for Hope and Change.......that is what he preached and regardless of the shape of the economny or congress when you take over it is YOUR job to Change it. That's like if a genius like Ted Thompson would have taken the Dolphins job if after 4 years they still sucked.....Ted T. would have to go.
Secondly, I can't beleive the outrage over Chick-Fil A standing by their founding principles. Nothing has ever changed in what the owners of Chik-Fil A founded the company on and their largely religious based beleifs....pretty soon people will start complaining they aren't open on Sundays.
Chick-Fil A owners never said Gay people aren't allowed in the store or they are disgusting....they just said they beleive in the sanctity of marriage....That's it. Geez......relax everyone and enjoy some tasty Chicken Sandwiches...or Don't its your choice.
Ok.......Now...I have to think you were going for an over the top statement to start off when you bashed Andy Reid. Nobody has any right to question him or his motives or say he is the worst father around because of what happened. George Bush Sr lost a daughter to leukemia in the 60's and had to fly back to Texas to go to work the day after........read a book once in a while.
People all grieve in their own ways and God forbid until you are in that situation no need to ever persucute somenoe over it. It's not like Reid was out at some strip club a few days after his son's death......he was with his extended family trying to do his best to move on after grieving with them for a few days.
Football is his life and the Eagles are his family. It does neither of those groups any good to sit around and wallow in misery. The Best thing is to be with your family in those times....and that is what he did. I mean Garrett was a member of the Eagles organazation for Christ Sake. He was probably with His Dad more than We get to talk to or see our Own Fathers.
Shit happens and even the best parents in the world sometimes get shitty breaks. But.....unless you know inside information you shouldn't judge him so harshly.
Keith, wait until your baby is born and comment again. If a tragedy occurred with one of my children, my body and mind would shut down. I wouldn't be able to think straight and function as a human, much less go back to work. You know why? Because I love my kids more than life itself.
Reid is not being brave, he is being a coward. You are right, the greiving process is different for everyone. But he has a responsibility to his wife and to his other children to be there. Coaching football is his job. His family is his life and if his priorities aren't that way (which I suspect they aren't) then that is a severe character flaw IMO and should definately not be applauded.
This was not a case of his kid accidentally drowning in a pool (like Caylee) or a car accident, or a murder. This was many years of warning sign after warning sign that Reid chose to ignore by immersing himself in football and turning a blind eye to what was really going on.
I'm actually going to skip the Obama thing because it's nauseating having to repeat the same thing over and over again, only to have it fall on people who keep their uniformed heads planted firmly in their asses.
I could reiterate the filibustering, the 60 percent Senate voting, and the unprecedented Dream Team vs. Toni Kukoc way the Republicans have been relentless in trying to achieve one thing and one thing only in last 4 years, while the country suffers for their actions.
But I'm not going to do that because facts obviously bore you guys, you'd rather live in movie or TV show where stuff get's done by just saying it loud enough and the past can be swept under the rug like a 30 min sitcom.
More interesting to me is the Chick-Fil-A thing. If you guys remember, I brought this up a while back when they donated money and food to an anti-gay marriage function. And now that many people have decided to boycott the business, we get to listen to every noodnick preach about "free speech."
Unsurprisingly, the same people who look at the president and the job he's done through a skewed lens, also have a very odd and illogical definition of free speech as well.
You guys simply do not understand what free speech it. Free speech does NOT mean free of consequences. It simply means free from law. So as long as you are not putting people in danger with your speech or defaming them with lies, you cannot be incarcerated or fined due to what you say.
But you CAN, be fired from a job, left by your wife, shunned by friends, or have your business boycotted.
The boycott is Chick-fil-A's customers exercising their free speech. This whole thing is a textbook example of America at it's best. People get to choose to either spend their money somewhere that is either for or against a principle they believe strongly in.
Some will support Chick-fil-A because they believe in the same values, and other will simply not give a shit and order another delicious chicken sandwich.
But when you say, "hey everyone relax," you're the one who is un-American. This is how it's suppose to work. This is how progress is made and how bigotry and antiquated values get flushed out of the population.
In the meantime, yes, no one is saying that gay people can't eat at a Chick-fil-A, but also no one can tell me where to spend my money if there's something I do not like about the company.
I understand that everyone has their freedoms. My biggest problem is the reaction that people are getting for their opinions. Intelligent people should be able to have an intelligent discussion about opposing viewpoints in a civil manner.
Do me a favor, Koko, walk up to a gay activist and tell them nicely that you oppose gay marriage and see what happens. Next, walk into a conservative church and tell somebody that you support gay marriage. I will guarantee you that the reactions will be vastly different.
The gay activist will flip out. Call you names like: ignorant, close minded, archaeic or worse. While the conservative church would be far more respectful of your stance.
Look what happened to Carrie Prejean when she simply stated her opinion at the Miss USA pageant. You are talking about thousands of years of tradition and history. You are also talking about a belief system that many people feel very strongly about.
Yeah, I have to agree with Keith on the Andy Reid thing. G-d forbid any of us have to go through that. We can say all we want on how we think we would react but when it happens, we may go the other way. His son did work with the Eagles so it makes sense to go back.
The Chick-Fil-A think kills me though. We all know where this recent controversy started from, right? There are plans for a Chick-Fil-A to come into Downtown Boston. The idiot Major, Menino, caught wind of the President of Chick-Fil-A and his remarks toward same sex marriages. Menino said "no more Chick-Fil-A in Boston". Can he even do that? Tell a retailer "not to come". I don't know the legal side of that. Jason is right. Chick-Fil-A can say what they want and people do not have to eat there. Chick-Fil-A also had a Kiss Day following these events were gay couples came to kiss.
Oh really Reger!? So if I go up to someone and tell them to their face that they should not be able to have the same rights as everyone else solely because some people are uncomfortable with how they were born, they are not going to have a good reaction?
The hell you say?
What's your next trick, go up to black people and say we should go back to the separate bathrooms, schools and water fountain system?
I can't fathom how you think you even had a morsel of a point with that statement.
Guess what Reger, if you don't support gay marriage, you ARE narrow minded. You think because you hide behind some bogus book that says marriage is only for men and women that your opinion is valid?
That book and books like it were written by people and then translated thousands of times throughout thousands of years. Absolutely no one knows who really wrote it or what it originally said.
Not that a book full of fairy tales should have any bearing on people's individual rights anyway.
And just in case you're going to say that religion has nothing to do with it, well that's even worse. At least religious people have a warped sense of reality. If you don't want gay people to be able to marry simply because you agree with the oppression of a group of people just because of who they are, then you have some soul searching to do my friend.
- I have no comment on the Andy Reid situation. That is an extremely personal situation.
-Its time for a change! Obama needs to leave!!!!!
-Your Olympic whine doesn't deserve comment.
-Go Giants!
-The Newsroom? I don't watch that show, nor do I care. All I know is that Bill Maher is a fucking idiot, just like the rest of those fucking liberal Hollywood fucks that live in an ivory tower.
-We must all remember that not all Chick fil a franchise owners share the same feelings as the founder. Hell, I bet you one of the owners may be gay! Anyway, we all talk shit on this website and we have that right. Eat more chicken bitches!
-See you at the draft bitches!!!! Snarf Snarf
The time for change was 8 years ago when you all voted in Bush for a second term. Now you want to ostracize Obama because he's not fixing the mess you helped create fast enough.
Hypocrites!
You gave Bush a second chance, so do the same for this guy who has actually done multitudes more in his 4 years than the previous administration could have done with 3 terms.
Romney is a talking head that even his own party didn't want. A guy that's campaigning on a platform to repeal a health care system he implements as governor in Massachusetts. And then picks an even more extreme running mate who wants to give more tax cuts to the rich.
If you're not in the top 1% and you vote Republican, you've sadly been duped into voting against your own best interests.
If you need to know, Koko, I do support gay marriage, and voted in favor of it when it was on the ballot. To me, however, I think it is a minor issue and not the major issue it is made out to be. Our country already recognizes civil unions between same sex couples, which, if I'm not mistaken, gives gay couples the same legal rights as married people.
I wasn't arguing whether or not gay people could get married, simply that gay people can't accept a differing opinion.
Marriage is very sacred to people and has a traditional aspect to it. It has been the same for thousands of years. I can totally see how people would want to leave it the same. Nothing in the constitution guarantees the right to marry a member of the same sex.
There are always 2 sides to every subject, it is ignorant to not acknowledge that
Yes, you are mistaken. Civil unions, which are also not recognized in all states, do not have all the same benefits of a marriage.
It is also not up to anyone to decide what's "good enough" for any other group of people. They deserve equality, period. And no they should not ever accept a differing opinion, because any such opinion that states they are a lesser human being and cannot have what others have due to their sexual orientation is inherently wrong.
And if you ask them, I'm sure it's not a minor issue, nor is it ever when any group of any kind is being oppressed in any way. It's 2012, let's fucking evolve as a species already and stop trying to control who is "normal."
The Constitution does not label every little minute detail Regs, and it does not state that marriage is only between a man and a woman either. What it does state in the 14th amendment is that everyone shall receive equal protection under the law. So if everyone is equally protected, then gay people should be protected from discrimination, which is what denying them marriage rights is.
The ignorance is yours.
I wasn't sure about the specific language of civil unions because, like I said, it is a minor issue to me. I don't care one way or another whether gays get married or not. Like I also said, I voted for gay marriage when it was on the ballot. You are right, if I was gay, I would probably think it was a bigger deal, but I'm not.
To me, a lot of this is serving as a diversionary tactic by the liberals. Only a very small percentage of Americans are gay and according to many of them, although they support the right, they themselves have no interest in getting married. So you are probably talking about maybe 1-3 % of Americans who are both gay and want to get married. So, fuck it. Let them and let's move on.
The much bigger problem is the economy and the amex black philosophy of Obama and the Dems. Spend spend spend. If you think anything that Bush did was bad, just wait and see if Obama gets elected again and our credit rating gets dropped or worse yet, our creditors say enough is enough and shut us off completely. You want to talk about a financial meltdown? We are currently borrowing over 60% of all our money spent and it is getting worse. The Dems have this Ostrich, head in the sand philosophy. Its like a person with a massive rash on his arm, who thinks that wearing a long sleeved shirt will heal it, rather than treating the problem.
We need guys like Romney and especially Paul Ryan in office so bad, to reverse this ridiculous short sighted behavior. Its a shame that people don't realize it.
Yes Reger, we all understand you are not gay. But I just wanted to know is it at all possible that you could wrangle up just a modest amount of what we crazy liberals like to call, humanity?
Is it possible for you to have an interest in something that may not directly affect you but is still something worth caring about?
Oh wait, that's right you already do that by voting for the interests of the top 1% even though you're not in it.
And seriously, diversionary? I believe it's YOUR party that has a problem with EVERYTHING gay, not us. Making sure this country does not support oppression may be a small insignificant annoyance to you, but for those of us who actually care about the true principles of this country, it ranks right near the top.
Gay people getting married is a YOU problem, not a THEM problem. The Right has just decided to make their archaic stance something everyone has to spend their precious time dealing with, just so they can live a happy life.
You want it to go way, fine. Write your Republican congressmen and senators that you're so found of and tell them to stop spending one more second on making sure the "sanctity" of marriage stays between the 50% of men and women who actually make it work.
And again, why should anyone at all listen to you on who should be voted in? Where's your credibility? You voted for Bush twice. Then you vote for McCain and Palin. PALIN!!! Are you out of your damn mind. Do you really hate this country that much? Can you imagine what would have happened in those first few months if Thing 1 and Thing 2 got into office? Forget about a deficit because there wouldn't be a financial system to pay it back anyway. And NO, that's not an exaggeration. Obama brought us back from certain meltdown in those first 3-4 months of office, anyone who was following what was happening closely knows that. If you want to live in a comic book Elsworlds issue, then be my guest and say "what up" to Russian Superman for me.
Koko, sometimes it is hard to respond to your posts because they are so far beyond reality, but I will try.
-First of all, I don't have time to go out and champion every single cause that I believe in. You act like I don't give a shit because I'm not out march with Rosie O'Donnell. Take a look at all of the leaders of pretty much every group. They all have one thing in common, the fact that they belong to the group that they are championing.
I believe and support a lot of things that I don't belong to. The aforementioned gay marriage being one. I also support the legalization of marijuana and I don't smoke. So the thought of supporting this so called 1% group and the notion that people should be able to keep over 60% of the money that they make shouldn't come as a surprise to you whether I belong to that group or not.
-Second, it is pure speculation what would have happened if McCain was elected president. Making these broad 'this would have happened or that would have happened' statements are pure guesses. I like to deal with reality, not comic books with heroes who wear tights. 4 years ago, I correctly predicted that if Obama were elected that we as a country would be in worse shape in 4 years. I was right and the facts and figures support that statement. Umemployment and under-employment numbers have gotten worse, while our debt has skyrocketted to unprecedented levels.
My primary argument against Obama, if you recall, was his lack of experience and lack of leadership to get things done. That people in Congress and people in the senate, even in his own party, didn't respect him or trust him and therefore wouldn't go to bat for him. I think it is safe to say, at this point, that I was right.
-Lastly, Paul Ryan is one of the smartest economic minds in this country. He is the House Budget Committee Chairman, has an Economics degree, and has made the Economy his priority in his 7 terms in Congress. What are Obama's and Biden's credentials? They had their chance. Time for some real hope and change.
Oh, and another thing....You spend a lot of time chastising Bush for causing this meltdown. I would argue that it was inevitable, based on history, not fantasy.
Do you really think it would have been different if John Kerry were president?
Let's time warp back to 2006. The Dow Jones was right around 16,000 (an all time high). Stock and 401K portfolios were seeing 10% gains on a regular basis, Unemployment was at 4% (excellent), home ownership was at an all time high, Minority home ownership was also at an all time high,property values were skyrocketting, small business was thriving, and retail stores were thriving.
Knowing what I know about John Kerry, I'm pretty certain that he wouldn't say "hey guys, things are going so well that I think we should just go ahead an enact legistlature that is going to hurt our economy. I'm going to regulate the housing and the banking industries, who are both doing great. Trust me, I have been looking into my giant crystal ball and I know what is coming."
He would have gotten skewered by everyone, including his own party. If you also remember, it was Bill Clinton who passed the bill deregulating the housing industry and making it easier to buy a home. Let's not forget that.
Also,anyone with a brain knows that if you want to get out of a hole, you have to stop digging. It is common sense. Please enighten us, oh grand wizard Koko, what do you suggest we do if 3 years and 3 more Trillion dollars down the road, China (who we are currently borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend from) decides that enough is enough and stops lending us money until we pay back our debt (this is a real possibility, especially given the tenuous nature of the Chinese economy and the fact that they don't like us)? What then? Let's hope we never find out because if we do, this last reccession will be a walk in the park.
In your face biatch!!! Well said Regs!
Thanks so much for trying to understand my wacky way of thinking Regs. I know logic and truth are not your fort-ay, but I do appreciate the effort and someday I'm telling you, you're gonna reach that goal of a 6th grade reading level just like your personal hero, Dubbuya.
You don't give a shit Reger, because you just said you didn't. Did they base the character 10 Second Tom on you? You said the issue is not that important and it only affects a small number of people.
Wrong on both counts by the way, but you can't state something as absolute and then fire back as if you never said it and call me out of touch with reality.
Like Vince Vaughn, you're really starting to just turn into a parody of yourself. Everything is laughable.
As for guesses, isn't that what you're doing with Romney and Hitler Youth Boy over there? You say he'll fix things, I say he'll annihilate what's left of the middle class. You then go head and make the exact same kind of speculation about John Kerry that you were accusing me of. It's just incredible how many times you can contradict yourself in one conversation.
We all make choices based on our best estimation of the situation. The difference between us is that I make them based on logic and reality and I believe you are using some sort of Tony Robbins, "30 Days Toward Becoming the Ultimate American Douchebag" program. How many easy payments of $89.95 do you have left on that?
And do you hear that sound, like a toilet flushing? You should, it's a familiar one for you. It's the sound of your credibility sinking yet to another new low. The unemployment rate is NOT worse now than when Obama took office. Try to pass that shit off to your lapdog Rich, he'll eat it up with a side of fries. I actually know what's going on so blatant lies don't work on me. You're not going to blame the skyrocketing months of unemployment right after Bush left office on Obama. He had to actually get in office and get TARP ratified first. Don't be obtuse, it's an ugly personality trait.
Is the deficit higher? Of course it's higher and Obama should've never said he could lower it in 4 years, although how was he suppose to know that he would be literally discriminated against no matter what merit his policies had?
If someone borrows your car and completely fucking wrecks it, gives you back the keys and says, "Heh, heh, heh, mission accomplished." What are you suppose to do, drive it around like nothing happened? You gotta fix it and when you're talking about the entire country instead of a car, you're talking about a shit ton of money. Even Obama had no idea just how screwed the situation was when he was campaigning. Neither did McCain.
But you know what a lot of people did know back in 2004? That if Bush got elected for a second term and kept up the war spending, the tax cuts and bank deregulation, eventually the bottom would drop out.
How come you didn't see that one coming Reger? How come you voted for him again? Can you even admit you were wrong in that choice? Would you even defend voting for him now? I just wonder what the heights of your delusions are.
And talk about lack of respect. Your entire party SETTLED for Romney. They don't want him in the least. He invented Obamacare. He's a talking head with no vision whatsoever. At least that Game of Thrones VP he selected has a vision, sure it's batshit crazy, but a vision nonetheless.
There is no contradiction. I said that I voted for gay marriage and signed a petition backing it that my cousin, who is a lesbo, asked me to. But there are many different levels of support and mine is very low on that topic (by the way, until about 2 years ago, your hero Barry did not support gay marriage until he realized that it might cost him votes)
As far as Kerry goes, I was trying to play your game for once. The "what if" game. Using your car crash analogy (not that I agree with your assessment), what Obama is doing is the equivalent of getting into the car and insisting on driving it as opposed to taking it to the shop to get fixed.
What we need to do is get rid of the fluff and concentrate on the 2 most important issues, the economy and our debt. Fix those 2 things and everything else will work itself out. I would much rather have a person who has actually successfully erased a huge state debt very quickly and took a winter olympics that was in terrible shape and turned it into a rousing success, along with the 1 person in this country who probably has the most experience and education in office about economic principles and solutions.
The other choice is an inexperinced, non-leader who has no experience dealing with budgets and the economy other than the last 4 years in which our economy has not moved forward at all, teamed up with crazy Joe, who may or may not know whether he is standing or sitting at any given time.
At least Obama is not discriminating, he is fucking over all of the classes. I so look forward to a country where overachievement and success is not considered a negative trait and people who earn a lot of money are not viewed as bad guys.
Please Reger, I'm not going to argue that you contradict yourself. It's the entire cornerstone of your party, especially the scrape-of-the-barrel candidate you have running for president.
You don't even realize the contradiction until I point it out to you, then you scramble to try and spit out some lame ass spin on why you said it.
Everyone knows Obama has always been for gay marriage but was reluctant to say so because it could cost him a ton of votes and the chance to make progress in other areas. It wasn't a well kept secret. Many that have been close to or worked with him have expressed that on more than one occasion. It's a shitty game, but sometimes you have to play it.
And if I have to choose between someone who inherited the greatest economic mess of all time, brought the country back from the brink, finally implemented nation wide health care, put regulations on the credit card companies, revamped the student loan system, and has has job growth for the past 29 straight months . . .
Or I can get a guy who lobbied for and took over $500 million of federal money (tisk, tisk, tisk, not very Republican) and used it to "save" an Olympics that still had 3 years until launch and nearly a $1 Billion already in committed revenues.
Hmmmmm, fuck it yeah let's go with the millionaire that pays only 13% in taxes. LESS THAN ALL OF US!
And thanks for completely ignoring the question on Bush. I'll take it as a "plead the 5th."
You can talk about all the terrible things that Bush did, but let's please put it into perspective.
The American people are to blame for the start of this reccession, not Bush. You can talk until you are blue in the face about how he didn't regulate enough, but it was American adults who made the choices that they did. Nobody held a gun to anybody's heads and made them buy houses they couldn't afford. Nobody made the banks make the risky investments that they made, which ended up blowing up in their faces.
Its like blaming the gun shop owner for selling a registered person a gun and that guy turning around and killing someone. Did the gunshop owner have a role? Sure he did, but it was the killer who pulled the trigger and deserves the blame.
You mention a lot about financial disaster and financial meltdowns if Obama didn't swoop in and save the day (Ironman from the Avengers style), but what are the sources of this information? The fucking banks that are asking for hundreds of billions of dollars restriction free. Of course they are going to go waaaaayyyyy overboard and over state and over dramitize their need for this money or else they would not have gotten it. So they use words like "global meltdown" to get what they want.
Its like the kid (and you'll see this first hand as your daughter gets older) who comes home and declares that she "needs something" and that "everyone else has it" and that she "can't live without it" and that if she doesn't get it that everybody is going to hate her and all of the bullies are going to pick on her.
The sole source of your information is executives from banks stating what would happen if THEY didn't get hundreds of billions of taxpayer money. Not exactly unbiased and you preach it like the gospel.
Wow you did it! You actually did it! I really thought you'd draw the line short of defending Bush, but no. Serves me right for thinking you have even a single solitary sane brain cell floating around up in that head of yours.
And of course it wouldn't be a Reger post without completely contradicting yourself for the infinite time. But I'm not even going point it out so you can think of some "brilliant" way to spin it.
YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY LEFT Reger, game over man, game over.
You just blamed the American public for everything that Bush did. But of course it's Obama's fault for anything that's happened since? How convenient.
And there's nothing to even blame him for. Jobs go up every month he's in office. That's a fact.
And I don't preach gospel or any other bullshit that you're so found of. Just facts dude.
It's ok though man, I'll stay informed, you stay crazy.
You want facts... You can't handle the facts.
Fact 1 - In none of Obama's 42 months in the White House has the unemployment rate been lower than ANY of Bush's 8 years in office.
Fact 2 - There were 69,000 jobs added in the month of May. This is almost 3 and a half years after Obama has been in the White House. The problem is that 125,000 new people entered the work force in May, so unemployment rose. (The Obama spin cycle is in overdrive).
The facts are the facts. Obama has increased the debt to dangerous levels, while at the same time making the economy worse.
I'm done with this.
You see, right there. This is why you have no credibility.
The Bush White House causes the mess that leads to an unprecedented event. An event which culminated right at the end of his 2nd term.
Then you go and say Obama's unemployment rate has been higher than Bush's.
Do I really even have to explain the rest?
An unprecedented disaster can only mean and unprecedented recovery Reger. There is no magic trick. Yes it's going to be slow, but that's the position the people you voted for put us in. So now it's up to much smarter people to fix it.
Good, be done with it. In fact, stay home on election day and just take it easy.
Let the grown ups decide this one.
Let's just call you "generic liberal A" because you echo every thought and opinion, with no originality, of the class of person who are destroying this country. Thank you
Yes, yes, you're so right. I lack originality and it's the Republicans who are the creative dynamos who have all the answers, even though they are the ones who put us in the hole to begin with.
What an astute observation.
And even if such an erroneous statement were true, on what plane of existance would it matter? Who cares how many times something is repeated if it's true.
The only thing you guys are good at creatively is coming up with new ways to screw the middle class, devalue education, stall progressive infrastructure and, your favorite, more tax cuts for the rich.
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