14 comments:

Koko said...

Every time you speak or write you show how shallow your pool of sports knowledge really is.

First of all you quote the New York Post. Now I understand that you are from the land of cheese and may not be versed in "big city" culture. I mean you are the guy who wanted to wallpaper his room with atlas maps to plan out business trips. But I digress. Anyone who knows anything about New York sports, knows the Post is good for one thing and one thing only . . . entertaining headlines. That paper is a tabloid rag and everyone knows it. That's why it's parodied in the Spider-Man films. The writers are encouraged to have polarizing opinions and sell sensationalism.

Now to some actual facts. No doubt Jeter is off to a slow start this year. So are Carl Crawford and a lot of other All Stars. Oh and by the way, it still fucking April. Only championship virgins put a lot of stock in April baseball.

Jeter's working his way through a new swing and trying to incorporate it into what he's done for over 15 years. Not easy.

And during the last month of the season in 2010, Jeter hit .342 after some adjustments working with Kevin Long. So it's not like he's been in an unbelievable funk for the past 15 months like some people would like to exaggerate. Mostly from fans that never have or ever will get to watch a Hall of Fame player play out their entire career with one team. Jeter has had some good and some bad streaks with this new batting approach. Baseball is the most mental game of them all and changing a swing or stance is extremely difficult.

After putting together the greatest career of any shortstop in history, Jeter gets the carte blanche to work out whatever he needs. Meanwhile, he's still getting on base and scoring runs even though he's struggling at the plate. All-time greats still produce even during the hard times.

And I just put up the counter yesterday and they did not play. So if by "all week" you mean 1 day, and a day they did not have a game, then yes his count has been the same during that time period. WHAT A VICTORY FOR YOU KEITH!

True Yankee fans will defend Jeter and give him the benefit of the doubt every time, simply because he's earned it 10x over.

Your problem is that you have zero idea of what it's like to be a fan of a true icon. The best you've ever had is Brett Favre and he let you guys down big time. You've been trained to expect nothing but the worst on the backside of a great players career. It's ok; perhaps Rodgers won't turn into a mental case, hijack his team and show his tiny weenie to the world.

Or perhaps someday a player on the Brewers or Bucks will . . .

Nah fuck it, just stick with Rodgers.

April 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM  

Prosthetic Johnson said...

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!

That's like saying Mickey Mantle wasn't good because he was a drunk in the 80's.

Shame on you!

Good bye Fielder.....

April 22, 2011 at 9:58 AM  

Koko said...

Scotty . . .

you are priceless!


Candy and Balls Bitches!

April 22, 2011 at 10:11 AM  

Keith G. said...

Scott, I don't get your comment? Plus, I am not saying Jeter isn't or was never a good player. Simply pointing out that he is declining and with the 4th most plate appearances dating back to last season...I sure hope he would cross home plate from time to time..

Again, Koko your whole argument has no basis cause you don't dispute anything other than making fun of the source. Is the New York Post lying about those stats? If they are then your argument has legs but if they are not then what was your point? That's like saying Peter Gammons doesn't know anything about baseball cause he is a Red Sox fan and he couldn't report on the Yankees for that reason.

Please try to stick to the facts and instead of spending a whole 2 paragraphs disparaging others please try to discuss the data that was posted. And yea....I would hope a guy that gets more plate appearances than 99% of the league would cross the plate a bit more than others.

And....the stats range back to last season....but oh wait you disparage the first month of this season and instead only focus on the last month of last season.....when in reality we are talking about This Season...and Jeters DECLINE.

Good Day to You Sir.....and Smokey please elaborate on your dribble

April 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM  

Prosthetic Johnson said...

Besides this year, Jeter was first on the rotation so I would hope he had more plate appearances than the rest. What are these numbers from. #1 in rotation vs. other #1's or just plate apperances in general? Also, what is Jeter's % getting on base. He can only get on base. He depends on his teamates to help him cross the "plate".

My comment was in reference to you constantly pointing out that Jeter is getting old. We all get old. What does it matter at this point in his game. His experience is untouchable and helps his team out as well. Look at Varitek. He is old but his experience behind the plate is worth having him in the line up.This doesn't make him less talented just slower to the punch. Who cares? The Yankees still won a WS and have a better chance to win again. How about the Brewers?

April 22, 2011 at 12:47 PM  

Koko said...

The only thing harder than changing your swing after 16 major league seasons is trying to have a logical debate with you Dinger.

You say my argument has no basis. What the hell is your basis? Is your entire point that after 16 years a player is not as good as in his prime?

Is that it?

Congratulations, you managed to point out something never needed to be explained.

Why don't you make this point for every player in all of sports that is on the backside of their career?

It's ok, I already know why. Because you're the run-of-the-mill, jealous and predicatable Yankee hater.

Jeter can get zero credit in your eyes. Because he has a lot of plate appearances, you devalue his runs. We'll he has to get on base first in order to cross home does he not? That's how baseball works. And in baseball, the more opportunities you have, the more you fail. It's the nature of the game. And for Jeter in his 16 season, all at shortstop, to be as productive throughout his career, is unprecedented at the position.

I'll make a deal with you. If you admit that Jeter is without a shadow of a doubt the best all-around shortstop to ever play the game, I will concede something of your choosing, as long as it's true.

How 'bout it?

April 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM  

Keith G. said...

Oh...I'm sorry maybe I have confused you two with all the facts and real world facts. For that I apologize. Why is it that every time we discuss current events you guys resort to talking about legends and seasons a few years ago instead of the present day?

I have said it over and over...Jeter is one of the greatest of all time no question. But......is He an elite SS and deserving of the lead off spot in the Mighty Yankees at his age and declining skills? That's all were discussing......not what newspaper can discuss the mighty Jeter or anything else. Just...do you think Jeter is an elite (paid like an elite) SS and Leadoff hitter in the league TODAY! Not last season or in 2007 TODAY. And yes Mickey Mantle is great and Babe Ruth is great also......is there anything else you guys want to cover or can we move away from the Yankee history lesson?

April 22, 2011 at 3:51 PM  

Double S said...

I'm already tired of the Jeter hits counter...and I just saw it for the first time a few mins ago. Acutally, I thought it was part of this post.

April 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM  

theJUANdiggler said...

Jeter is an all tme great that just aint great NO MO.
What is the big deal with this count anyways , there is like 30 guys ahead of him on this list.
There is no debating if Jeter is a hall of famer or that he is the greatest shortstop( all around) in mlb history , but not many greats end there carrers as elite players.
Just ask that guy with the wixard jersey , and he i the best athlete in all sports history in my opinion.

April 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM  

Regs said...

Denial, denial, denial. Why can't yankee fans just take a look at what they are seeing and make opinions based on that. just because a player looks the same, doesn't mean he is the same.

I have watched probably 50-60 Yankee games this year and last, and what I see with my eyes are a bunch of weakly hit ground balls in the infield out of Jeter.


Then i read a stat to back up my eyes that says that Jeter is on a historical pace statistically, in weakly hit ground balls in the infield.

My advise is to play out your career until you are not effective and bow out with style and dignity. Otherwise your legacy will be tarnished. People want to remember jeter for his great play, not his bouncers to 2nd base

April 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM  

Prosthetic Johnson said...

50 - 60 games! I'm sorry, do you have the MLB Network?

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!

April 25, 2011 at 10:23 AM  

Koko said...

Wow Regs you watched 50-60 Yankees games?

How many people who are not in the profession watch 50-60 games of a team they hate?

I think that says it all right there.

You guys are obsessed with the Yankees. Making arguments that have no point, and just wanting to hear Yankee fans say "Jeter sucks."

Why?

Why is that so important to you. He's an American League player, what the hell does he have to do with your team?

I'm not allowed to be excited to see something that I'll probably never see again? Something that not even my dad has seen in all his years as a Yankees fan. Something that only 27 players in the history of the game have ever done before.

I guess I'm just a bigger baseball fan than the rest of you guys. Sorry about that. It's my favorite game. 3,000 hits to a real baseball fan is a huge deal.

If that doesn't excite you, then go watch the Heat, learn about hockey, or wait with baited breath for your precious NFL to come back, baseball is just not for you.

April 25, 2011 at 10:27 AM  

Regs said...

For the record, I do have the mlb package and I watch baseball games almost every night. Yes i do some flipping, but I have fantasy palyers on the Yankees and like to watch my guys play.

I am not obsessed with jeter. I made 1 comment about how I don't like it when players lose their skills and continue to live in denial of it and also fans who try to convince themselves that what they are seeing isn't actually happening.

favre is the best example of this. If he would have just retired after the Giants game, everyone in Wisconsin (including me) would have loved him forever. He would have gone down in history as the best Packer ever. but because of his actions in the last 3 years, most former fans despise me and he is a punchline of jokes.

April 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM  

Koko said...

Yeah but Regs, Favre had one of his best seasons ever 2 years later on the Vikings and was one play away from the Super Bowl.

Like I said, Jeter gets at least a full season to bounce back. Everyone just wants to write him off after the first bad year in a 16 year career. That's not even close to a fair shake and you know it.

If he ends the season again with a .270 average then we'll discuss this again. But give the guy one damn year will ya? It's April!

April 25, 2011 at 11:47 AM  

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